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Hi guys! Wow, it’s been aaaages. I’ve been working like crazy the last few weeks. It should taper off in the next few weeks, or at least the timetabling should get less crazy. (These are the moments when I wonder if I should try qualifying as a secondary school teacher after all, cos I’d get paid a lot more for my exhaustion. My tax form tells me I survived on £12.6k for nine months in London, which is TMI but I’m sharing it because that number keeps rattling around in my head. I don’t know whether it makes me what to curl up and never spend money again or be like I AM A FUCKING GOD OF BUDGETING LET’S DO THIS.)

Anyway.

I’m adding new people here on Dreamwidth, and I’m gonna try and do an intro post/getting-to-know-you meme soon. (As well as brief thoughts on LJ’s latest round of poor choices, and the new series of Doctor Who.) But for now I’m just gonna post what I got, which is a slightly edited Tumblr reblog I want to be able to find again.

The [livejournal.com profile] online_bookclub read Harry Potter and the Cursed Child in April and I was in the group chat for some of it. Something that came up was Delphi’s existence, and the weirdness of the idea of Voldemort and Bellatrix having a baby - and it’s a massive sticking point for people in general, I think, even those who like CC. I was thinking about that, and then my friend [tumblr.com profile] boundingheart posted that “if you can accept that Hagrid’s parents had him, you can accept that Voldemort and Bellatrix had Delphi.”

Now I’m actually totally down for Delphi’s existence (even if I’m firmly Team IT WAS A MAGICAL RITUAL) but I still disagree with that, because there are definitely factors that affect people not accepting Voldemort and Bellatrix conceiving a child that don’t affect Hagrid’s parents. . It’s about more than just squick.

There is so much freight in the Potter books around immortality, children, and parenthood: it's baked right into the premise of what makes Voldemort frightening as a villain. Voldemort’s raison d’etre is seeking immortality, and having children is inherently a reminder of your own mortality (although it can also be grasping after a less-literal immortality). Voldemort does not like children, and they’re inherently in opposition to his goal: the two enemies he sees as a threat are a baby, and the headmaster of a school.

I’m also thinking of the epigraph at the beginning of Deathly Hallows - bless the children, bring them triumph now; and the flister whose Harry Potter tag is “that story about children who fought a war.” Even if readers aren’t consciously thinking about this stuff, it definitely affects how they look at Voldemort.

Parental love as ultimate protection, and also as bringing out the best in people, is a big deal in Potter; Lily and James, Narcissa, the Weasleys, Mrs Crouch, etc etc etc. Voldemort was brought down by parents (mothers), and his lack of understanding of parental love. So I totally see why this fucks with people, even though I think it’s a change in angle rather than an enormous shift. Cursed Child is massively connected to GoF and that's the book where Voldemort resurrects himself using family – bone of the father and all that. I reckon Voldemort very much has that in mind when he decides to have a child. So instead of the destroyer of parents and children because he wants immortality rather than children, Voldemort becomes a selfish, villainous parent – one who conceives a child to protect himself. In a family drama about parents and children, where the emotional climax is the main characters watching Harry’s parents die to save their son, what could be more horrifying?

Bellatrix is also a weird one for parenthood; I actually headcanoned her as “barren” for years. (And I use that word deliberately: it’s fairytale logic rather than anything related to RL problems having kids, as well as fitting with the Blacks' incestuous, Gothic, concern-over-the-end-of-the-line vibe.) She’s a pureblood who murders her kin, she says to Narcissa she’d be happy to give up a child to the Dark Lord. Which she does: Delphi is “in a truly dark place” because she has neither parent or friend, whether adopted or blood. So again it’s an angle-change rather than breaking of things but I see why it feels wrong to people.

Also, in-story, Dumbledore says Voldemort's become less human thanks to making the Horcruxes. I instinctively assumed the ability to have children would be something lost when you’re murdering people to keep yourself alive: it just seems to fit. Also, ahem, not to violate your privacy, Mr Riddle, but... losing his humanity goes along with losing his nose. I must admit I assumed certain other appendages went with it.

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Date: 5/5/17 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kikimay
The most ridiculous idea EVER.

I have nothing against Delphini as a character, but the idea of Voldie and Bellatrix having a baby is hilarious and completely wrong on so many levels. Literally: everything you just said in your post! The fact that children fought the war, that children were the hope. Bellatrix always seemed to me the "barren" sister to me too, the older one who chose to not have children/couldn't have children. When she says to Narcissa that she'll be happy to give a son to the Dark Lord, to offer a son's life for him ... it's the bit where it becomes clear that she can't even begin to understand what motherhood is all about.

Again, absolutely right there with you: Voldemort was searching immortality for himself. Only he could live forever, as he says in the movie. A son is a reminder of your own mortality and it's just ... an heir. Someone who will be there when you will be no more and you don't search immortality because you don't want to outlive your son.

At the time of Delphi's supposed birth, Voldemort was still very much in the winning mode. Immortality was at his grasp, if only he could have killed one Harry Potter. It's absurd to even believe that he would conceive a child ... to what? Have another enemy after he became immortal? Share his power? GUUUURL.

Literally, the most out of character thing ever. Not even Joanne herself can make me believe otherwise.

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Date: 5/6/17 01:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] secretsolitaire
Also, ahem, not to violate your privacy, Mr Riddle, but... losing his humanity goes along with losing his nose. I must admit I assumed certain other appendages went with it.

Bwahahaha. I never thought about it, to be honest, but he does seem like kind of a sexless character.

Interesting meta!

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